Question about my first wash

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Re: Question about my first wash

Post by Curmudgeon » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:12 am

Even if it is awful and needs to go down the drain, do keep a bottle so you can compare it to what you make in a couple of months.

You can always give it to someone you don't like.

edit: just re-read the thread and I repeated myself.

I must be a bad person :evil:
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Re: Question about my first wash

Post by Mash » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:01 am

I would let it go and make the vinegar rather than bin it.
It cannot be corrected so it is best prevented. Good hygiene and minimum headspace. Acetobacter needs good surface area and air.
Is does carryover in vessels that have suffered, so steaming or washing/soaking with heads works. TBH 50%+ would work.
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Re: Question about my first wash

Post by Jennysgin » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:23 am

Oh no, good luck with fixing it!

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Re: Question about my first wash

Post by Mash » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:24 am

Easydrinker wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:02 am
The World, well my chips anyway, need vinegar!
I am really only being facetous because tonight I discovered that one of my beers may have a similar problem.
Inside, I am weeping.
Tomorrow I will see what can be done.

Robert.
You could bottle it as a sour beer (Prime as normal). It is perfectly drinkable, Indeed quite desirable. Bit it is a damn unusual taste. I sour beers intentionally by using a lot of wheat malt. Drink it cold. Lager cold. Do not over carbonate - quite frankly, the last thing it needs.

Google 'sour beer' - you sir are actually very trendy
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Re: Question about my first wash

Post by Easydrinker » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:53 pm

So.
I tried to sneak 27 litres of beer from under the slight blanket of haze on the surface.
Also discovered, (where did the day go?) that Acetic acid bacteria-{aerobic} are not to be confused with Acetobacterium-{anaerobic}.
If it was the first, then rapid action, plus a bit of scraping yeast from the bottom, minimum bottle headspace and a LONG conditioning period may see it through.
Oh and this one was a lot of wheat in the grain bill., so it smelled differently from the off, and Lager based.

The Goblin clones just keep getting better.
I may have nailed the colour.
The taste is better! :D

Had a few problems with carbonation, under and over,
Took the easy seeming route and now rack to a bottling bucket, add all of the dissoved primer with a gentle stir.
I have a wide range of bottle sizes, now, one size-(or rather sugar dlilution) fits all.
There is no ONE way.
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Re: Question about my first wash

Post by Mash » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:49 am

Oooo. I have long covetted a theory that brews with more that 10% ish wheat are prone to infections.

I have a pet recipe that's 5kg malted barley 500g wheat that's never ever a problem.

High wheat beers do better with a wheat yeast.

I never exceed 50% for diastastic reasons - it won't convert during mash.
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Re: Question about my first wash

Post by Mash » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:28 am

I also thought yesterday, you might be able to rack this off into a keg and then sulphite it to 50ppm to quell the infection. It would require forced carbonation, but you would keep the beer. It would be interesting to see what that would do, it is mixing protocols little bit.
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Re: Question about my first wash

Post by Easydrinker » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:46 am

Thanks for your input.
This was about 20% Wheat, I totally messed up the grain bill.
Too late to change anything, it is bottled.
Maybe? a smart move was filling a couple of 200mm tonic water bottles.
This will give me a window onto this beer for the rest of the brew
conditioning.
I am now minded to fill a couple of small clear glass bottles for any future bottling,
But am going to continue with the Goblin clones, as they are the DB's.

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Re: Question about my first wash

Post by Mash » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:43 pm

I actually prefer clear glass bottles so you can see what's going on. Brown bottles are good - and often more readily available as they are preferred to prevent light strike. I think drinking your beer quicker helps prevent light strike ( colour being burnt away). Either that or drop an old tea towel on top of the crates.

Beer really is a lovely thing to make because you really can see the differences quite quickly and perfect recipe. And any semi/fully automatic mash cattle just makes it a breeze.
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Re: Question about my first wash

Post by gaza the instructor » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:54 pm

Clear glass cant help, told you about frosted already??
Mirror-signal-manoeuvre.

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