Yet more wash issues

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Re: Yet more wash issues

Post by Easydrinker » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:27 am

Just to say Water hardness and PH do not go hand in glove. :geek:
I have VERY soft water, Ph from the tap always around 7.
My neutral washes always drop to around Ph 3.5 by day 2.
A good Dessert- spoon of Bicarb brings it back up above 5 and it finishes fine.
I never understood "buffering", why put more shit in the wash than you need?
But hey, I am a simple soul. :lol:


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Re: Yet more wash issues

Post by Mash » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:27 am

StillBrewing wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:06 pm

That's just about my policy as well. A good wash and a rinse when used and then put away with lids on until next time. Open up a quick wash and rinse, ready to go.

When you put the lid on.. Spray a bit of neutral in there. That way you save another rinse.

You can of course recycle this cleaner... Save it up, and then still it again.
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Re: Yet more wash issues

Post by Northern Stiller » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:31 pm

Easydrinker wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:27 am
Just to say Water hardness and PH do not go hand in glove. :geek:
I have VERY soft water, Ph from the tap always around 7.
My neutral washes always drop to around Ph 3.5 by day 2.
A good Dessert- spoon of Bicarb brings it back up above 5 and it finishes fine.
I never understood "buffering", why put more shit in the wash than you need?
But hey, I am a simple soul. :lol:


Robert.

Hi Robert

I agree with what you say but unfortunately I have to put all the extra shit in or I run the risk of crashing if you're lucky enough to have good enough water you don't need buffer's I'm jealous but as the washes get bigger the harder it is to control now I don't need to add anything to an all grain mash and don't understand why people mess with them :lol:


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Re: Yet more wash issues

Post by Mash » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:02 am

Water analysis is quite straightforward. If you get the water report for your area, you can adjust accordingly with the appropriate salts before you start.
If you need to adjust for a sugar wash, chances are you will also need to for an all grain beer.
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Re: Yet more wash issues

Post by Northern Stiller » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:37 pm

I forgot to mention I also use the enzymes when I do all grain just makes it easier so I have to adjust pH with citric acid down to 5 for the second enzyme :roll:

I do understand this can be a polarising subject but if you're lucky enough to good fermentating water that's great me I don't and it's took a lot of trial and error to get a recipe that work well everytime.

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Re: Yet more wash issues

Post by Easydrinker » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:35 am

TBH, I never really gave water much thought.
Was just aware of needing to adjust sugar washes Ph on day two.
Since getting into beer making and looking at the water report for what comes from my tap, I add a few more things for beer.
I probably don't need to, but we all like to do "stuff". :lol:

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Re: Yet more wash issues

Post by StillBrewing » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:23 am

Easydrinker wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:27 am
Just to say Water hardness and PH do not go hand in glove. :geek:
I have VERY soft water, Ph from the tap always around 7.
My neutral washes always drop to around Ph 3.5 by day 2.
A good Dessert- spoon of Bicarb brings it back up above 5 and it finishes fine.
I never understood "buffering", why put more shit in the wash than you need?
But hey, I am a simple soul. :lol:


Robert.
I knew my water was soft but didn't think it was that soft. Just checked it and the ph out of the tap is 8.5.

At least the saving from using less detergents and washing powder can be spent on more sugar :lol:

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Re: Yet more wash issues

Post by Jennysgin » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:10 pm

Re pH buffering, has anyone experimented with egg/Oyster shells?

There seems to be a fair amount of chat around it online and I'm wondering if something like that would be preferable to adding lots of bicarb etc. I think it's only used up when the pH drops :geek:

"In a sock" was also mentioned but I'm not convinced they meant an actual sock! :lol: maybe a muslin bag so it can be retrieved?

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Re: Yet more wash issues

Post by StillBrewing » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:03 pm

Jennysgin wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:10 pm
Re pH buffering, has anyone experimented with egg/Oyster shells?
I haven't used any of those you mention but I do know of a chap who advises the use of Oyster shells. He was a member on the old site but not sure if he is still here on the new one. Some of the guys who frequent the US groups also use them with good results.

Two or three boiled well before use and chucked into the fermenter will do no harm. I will try them one day but for now I don't mind paying a tenner delivered for 5kg of bicarb. It lasts ages even though I make 50L ferments.

Give it a go and report back with your results.

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Re: Yet more wash issues

Post by Easydrinker » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:53 am

Thanks Jenny,that raised a smie.
I had forgotten about eggshells, you have been doing some serious reading into pre-history. :)

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