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Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-06-30T23:12:29+00:00

Due to renovations for an imminent change of residence,- due to happen this week-end,finally! I have been very short of physical "do stilling stuff" time this year.
Have run Lentil wash after Lentil wash to keep the supplies going.And pot stilling them.
Obviously chasing neutral,and owning an Essencia filter have been using it.
With very satisfactory results.
Now,had I been running a reflux still,the filtering probably would not have been needed.

The pot stilling of the same Lentil wash has become so formulaic,that I don't need to taste it to make cuts.A smell of the bottles that are around the usual cut-off points,after airing is almost always good enough.Distilling by numbers,not a mystery.Simples.

Robert.

Statistics: Posted by Easydrinker — Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:12 pm

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-06-30T22:39:43+00:00

I always filter my neutral through the essencia, It's amazing at polishing up a batch, mainly the ceramic filter removed any sharp smells and it comes out really smooth, even if you make a mistake or are a tiny bit greedy with your cuts.

I have almost 4 litres of rum at 65% on oak, I'm going to put this through the essencia too but with only the carbon filter, not the ceramic one, I'm after a smooth white rum, I should get 6 litres at 40%

However this is somewhat of an experiment, time will tell if it's any good

Statistics: Posted by Anavrin — Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:39 pm

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-06-30T20:36:10+00:00

not filtered and tastes ok to me

Statistics: Posted by popcorn sutton — Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:36 pm

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-06-30T15:12:13+00:00

Just following on from Mashys last post which is correct. Clean low stress fermentation is good.

Presumeably if considering filtration you are probably talking about making neutral. Its also worth not putting so much feints into the boiler to start with - check out hydro separation.

Then you can look at dilution of boiler charge, ph treatment and bicarbonate.

Statistics: Posted by Myles — Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:12 pm

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-06-30T13:51:41+00:00

I never filter anything anymore.

That is where I am at. I try to make the wash is as clean as possible so the impurities are not there to start with.

Statistics: Posted by Mash — Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:51 pm

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-06-30T12:30:51+00:00

thanks .this run will not get filtered

Statistics: Posted by popcorn sutton — Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:30 pm

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-06-30T09:50:49+00:00

I never filter anything anymore.

Even when making vodka I like to leave a slight residual flavour. Some folks do filter to remove mineral deposits and some filter to remove absolutely all traces of flavour.

There are different reasons for filtering so you need to be clear on what you are trying to achieve.

Some even filter to put flavour IN - as in filtering through charcoal as opposed to carbon filtering.

Statistics: Posted by Myles — Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:50 am

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-06-30T08:52:26+00:00

popcorn sutton wrote:confused .i double distill in a airstill do i filter or not

I'm with you, please tell???
Last run I did I didn't bother filtering and as far as I know everything tasted ok.
But I might look back one day after more experience knowing it was wank!

Statistics: Posted by Spirits4BB — Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:52 am

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-06-30T07:40:06+00:00

confused .i double distill in a airstill do i filter or not

Statistics: Posted by popcorn sutton — Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:40 am

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-03-03T20:39:21+00:00

Capt-Cudellez wrote:
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Easydrinker wrote:I am unsure what AM means by stripping out colour in his second point?

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If you filtered a wood aged product it removes the colour too.

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Capt.I'm obviously being a little slow here,why would you carbon filter a product that you thought good enough to be consigned to wood aging,in order to allow the wood to do it's magic?
As here we are not speaking of chill filtering to deal with proteins,fatty acids and esters that may cause cloudiness upon dilution below 46%.

Robert

Robert.

Statistics: Posted by Easydrinker — Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:39 pm

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-03-03T18:33:24+00:00

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Easydrinker wrote:
I am unsure what AM means by stripping out colour in his second point?

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If you filtered a wood aged product it removes the colour too.

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mashy wrote:
For gin I then.. Strip run - spirit run - then filter - soak the botanicals
Then re-distill followed by NO filtering.

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Bingo, that will do what you want. I have an efficient packed column that could pull off 95.6% with half the length of packing that I use, so I find that with good cuts I don't need to filter for my base neutral.
I prefer my sipping vodka with a little more "character", So I use a grain mash and triple distil with the pot.

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chill wrote:
That is how I do my gin. And make cuts on the start and end of the gin run. At the start you will get a small amount (depends on how much alcohol is in the still) of the citrus oils and other flavours that boil at low temperatures. You may want to control how much of this ends up back in your finished product.

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I do the same, there is a lot of flavour in the first drops and if you include it all, the gin tends to go cloudy when you add a mixer - a bit like absinthe does. Its purely cosmetic to leave it out, but its what people expect when they get a gin that its clear.

I only cut about 40ml on a run where I'm looking to end up with about 5.5L of finished gin - so its a really tiny amount.

Statistics: Posted by Capt-Cudellez — Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:33 pm

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-03-03T15:45:06+00:00

That is how I do my gin. And make cuts on the start and end of the gin run. At the start you will get a small amount (depends on how much alcohol is in the still) of the citrus oils and other flavours that boil at low temperatures. You may want to control how much of this ends up back in your finished product. At the end, somewhere after the output drops below 70% you start getting "low" notes that IMO ruin a gin. And I have ruined many. Keep that aside, and when you have enough, run it by itself, making the same cut and filter it again to use as a gin base. Waste not, want not! ... or just start another wash.

Statistics: Posted by chill — Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:45 pm

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-03-03T10:40:11+00:00

Thanks chaps. Makes sense.

For gin I then.. Strip run - spirit run - then filter - soak the botanicals
Then re-distill followed by NO filtering.

Statistics: Posted by Mash — Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:40 am

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-03-03T06:34:45+00:00

Go along with AM and ED now I'm using the bubble plates and still 2 runs, taste tests appear to indicate the holy grail has been achieved ...no more filtering for neutral/vodka
Cuts are still most important though
For whisky or other grain or flavour washes pothead only or perhaps one plate only seems best

Statistics: Posted by Admiral Toad — Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:34 am

Re: Do you carbon fllter

2015-03-03T05:34:58+00:00

[quote="mashy"

What do peeps think is the major benefit.[/quote]

Sorry mashy,in the dance,your question may not have been answered or the answer understood.

If running any pot still,then carbon filtering will be advantageous,if you are seeking a neutral spirit.
For a flavoured spirit it will not.
The difference is most definitely in the taste.
HTH

Robert.

Statistics: Posted by Easydrinker — Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:34 am