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Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T22:28:35+00:00

cheers mate.

Statistics: Posted by guest5234 — Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:28 pm

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T22:26:00+00:00

Yes.
You may want to save the heads and tails from the second run, the T500 run, for a future heads and tails run.
Do store them in glass if doing so.

Robert.

Statistics: Posted by Easydrinker — Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:26 pm

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T22:13:56+00:00

got it , thanks.
So with the second distillation WITH CUTS, do we use only the hearts in the final distillation ?

Statistics: Posted by guest5234 — Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:13 pm

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T22:12:03+00:00

Number one, Strip is a Distillation,NO cuts.
Number two, spirit run is a distillation, With cuts.
Number three after a maceration, is a distillation that merely requires the first few ml thrown away.
Then taking the distillate from this run, Having run it to as low by ABV as you wish.
Adjust to 40-45%
age a few weeks
Enjoy!

HTH

Robert.

Statistics: Posted by Easydrinker — Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:12 pm

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T22:12:44+00:00

So after all the advice it is for gin

1. Strip run with alembic post still
2.1st spirit run with T500 making cuts
3 2nd spirit run just using hearts from 1st spirit run in alembic pot still with botanicals with no cuts.

after reading through all the posts that seems the answer.

Statistics: Posted by guest5234 — Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:09 pm

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T21:57:55+00:00

Easydrinker wrote:
As Anavrin said,
You make cuts on the second run, the spirit run.
And then you flavour for Gin, and re distill.
It is this run where I stated that cuts, as such, were not needed
Apologies if you misunderstood me.

Robert.

I might sound thick but I need to get this right as I read it above.
1, strip
2 second run, the spirit run with cuts.
3 and then you flavor flavor for gin and re still again, a 2nd distill with no cuts

Statistics: Posted by guest5234 — Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:57 pm

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T21:17:40+00:00

As Anavrin said,
You make cuts on the second run, the spirit run.
And then you flavour for Gin, and re distill.
It is this run where I stated that cuts, as such, were not needed
Apologies if you misunderstood me.

Robert.

Statistics: Posted by Easydrinker — Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:17 pm

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T13:57:27+00:00

Cheers, so just take cuts on the last spirit run

Statistics: Posted by guest5234 — Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:57 pm

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T09:27:20+00:00

You make your cuts on your slow spirit run

Statistics: Posted by Anavrin — Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:27 am

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T08:31:31+00:00

East drinker if I have read it correct says no strips are done in the whole process, this is mine.

1. Strip run through the alembic pot still.
2. slow run through the T500 columnn.
3.soak with botanicals and then last run through the alembic pot still.

no cuts anywhere in the process

Statistics: Posted by guest5234 — Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:31 am

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T08:15:26+00:00

Easydrinker wrote:
I struggled to follow.

Me too.

Are we saying here that the botanicals go in the alcohol produced by the strip run then?

I normally produce finished ready to drink neutral spirit which is then matured.

Only then do I go on to make gin with it, by doing a third run with botanicals.

Statistics: Posted by Mash — Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:15 am

Re: Confused now

2016-10-24T08:00:00+00:00

Cheers robert, it is a big learning curve and many questions need to be asked so a newbie like myself gets off on the right track. Great forum with so much knowledge. Going to have a go at soaking some botanicals in the wash before my final spirit run on the pot still and next time try and rig up something so that the vapors pass through the botanicals.

Statistics: Posted by guest5234 — Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:00 am

Re: Confused now

2016-10-23T22:46:14+00:00

I think your question was answered guest, but in many roundabout ways, I struggled to follow.
Wont you still get heads, hearts and tails?
Nope,you may get a bit of shit at first, depending upon your botanicals.
So, throw the first bit of the macerated wash spirit, a few ml will suffice.
Other than that no cuts are needed.
Obviously stop collecting at a low ABV that suits yerself.
Do allow product to mellow for a week or two to allow the magic to happen.
Between those parameters the flavour of your Gin is down to you.

Robert.

Statistics: Posted by Easydrinker — Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:46 pm

Re: Confused now

2016-10-23T21:44:16+00:00

thanks guys

Statistics: Posted by guest5234 — Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:44 pm

Re: Confused now

2016-10-23T13:02:06+00:00

Hey Guest, the original quote you posted about stripping I believe is when folks were completely bypassing the reflux in the T500 column and were using it like a pot still with only the product condenser cooling.
From what you post you are still refluxing on the "stripping" run, this will keep the temps down at the top of the column until towards the end of the run. Your first run just has a lower reflux ratio (running hotter, returning less to the boiler) than the slower second run.

So don't sweat it.

On gin, cutting by taste is tricky, as the product coming off the still will taste very different the day it was stilled to when the flavour "fixes" which I find is about 10-14 days after distillation. Its best to keep it stored in bulk (a DJ) until this point.
On the flavour fixing, you need to use fixatives in the recipe - the 2 most common are angelica root or orris root.

Of course if all your gin will be guzzled within a few weeks - this is less of an issue

Statistics: Posted by Capt-Cudellez — Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:02 pm