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Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-06-25T18:15:45+00:00

Well done mate, enjoy!

Statistics: Posted by Jimmy — Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:15 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-06-22T16:51:22+00:00

Brought a hip flask of the cut back product with me to a friends house.

It went down very well General comments were around the smoothness of it - and given it's 65% that's a very good sign. I was presented with a couple of hip flasks to fill for next time.

I think I've made something decent

Statistics: Posted by MrCat — Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:51 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-06-19T14:33:44+00:00

As mentioned in the filtering thread my 'hearts' returns on the original wash weren't much in quantity but...

Cut some of the final hearts down to 65% last night and quite simply - wow

The hearts had been stripped, cut with filtered water, run through the column, foreshots discarded, cut back again with filtered water, run once more through the column with heads compression and severe cuts to produce just 3 litres of 93% from nearly 55 litres of wash.

Compared to a commercial vodka even after triple distilling there is a noticeable perfume (to call it a smell would be very wrong) and there is a slight taste but it is just so smooth for such a strong spirit.

Ace

Statistics: Posted by MrCat — Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:33 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-04-22T19:43:08+00:00

Stripped the 100% dunder/molasses wash.

I wasn't expecting much as I'd only been able to calculate the OG due to the dunder/batched sugar addition and the FG wasn't that great (1020) despite leaving it for nearly 2 months.

Did 40 litres in 2 runs and got 2 gallons of 50% average and 1/2 gallon of 20 tails. Collected down to 10% low wines.

Next job will be to re-run it in pot mode slowly and take cuts. This will be the first run I've done and not used the column to finish it off but I'm looking for taste and not neutral.

I've got about 10 litres left of the wash so as suggested by CC I'll throw some of this in on the final run.

The smell is fantastic so I'm hoping for some nice sweet rum. The plan is to put it on bourbon chunks for a month of so (to emulate finishing in a bourbon barrel) and then put it into my used rum barrel.

Statistics: Posted by MrCat — Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:43 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-04-17T20:00:26+00:00

A good day. Two T500 runs for 3 gallons of 93%. Did major heads compression (about 45 mins) and threw away 500ml from each run. I tend to get rid of the heads so it made sense just to lump the foreshots and the first jar of heads together as I'd not be keeping it.

Then also cut the runs short when I could smell/taste the burn of tails coming through.

I'll put this to one side for a bit and crack on with stripping the high molasses content one.

Statistics: Posted by MrCat — Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:00 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-04-16T14:54:04+00:00

Running alongside the stripping runs I had a 55 litre dunder/molasses wash fermenting so I'm hoping to get 2*20 litre charges from that and 10 litres of 'beer' - 5 litres for each spirit run

Statistics: Posted by MrCat — Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:54 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-04-16T14:34:34+00:00

Did you save any of the beer to add to the spirit run? I got a good tip from Kiwi to make sure the still charge is acidic (by adding beer or dunder) and give it a long 100% reflux to get some ester generation happening.

I also like adding some treacle to the boiler these days.

Statistics: Posted by Capt-Cudellez — Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:34 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-04-16T14:26:58+00:00

Finally the stripping runs have been done.

I collected into glass demijohns, one per run and once that had filled swapped another demijohn in for the tail end of the run.

Five runs so I got 5 gallons at 50/60% and 2 gallons at 30%.

The T500 is prepped and ready for the first charge tomorrow.

It will be two and a half gallons of 50%, one gallon of 30%, topped up to 20 litres with filtered water for a quick run. I'll discard the foreshots and then collect everything into a demijohn. Hoping to get about a gallon and a half.

the the next day repeat that with the remaining demijohns before a final slow run with cuts

Statistics: Posted by MrCat — Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:26 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-01-31T20:29:07+00:00

I guess I was doing the add a bit of sugar at a time by accident. 6.2 kg in molasses on Saturday, 2.5kg on Sunday and then 2.5 tonight.

If I get away with out it sticking this time I very much doubt I'll get away with it from the dunder from this run...

Mind you - I can trip back and get some more molasses this week at buy one get one half price...

It works out well - 1.5kg of molasses and two jars for £3

Statistics: Posted by MrCat — Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:29 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-01-31T20:21:19+00:00

Ah, I was forgetting it was light on molasses and you got it quite dry - I have so much unfrementables I don't ever get it under 1.12ish.
Also the dunder from fancy seems to do better than the feed (or so it seems - too early in my rum making to be sure of anything)

If I'm going for a high dunder wash (30% or so) I only add 60% of the sugar\molasses at the start, the yeast seems happier, once they have dropped the gravity a few points, I'll carefully add more over the next few days - seems to make it finish in a few days rather than trudge on for weeks.
----Not my idea btw, never had an original thought in my life, I think if was from an old timer recipe I was on yahoo distillers.

Statistics: Posted by Capt-Cudellez — Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:21 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-01-31T20:05:11+00:00

CC - thanks for the heads up but I'm going to have to cross my fingers and hope on this one.

I'd already added half the remaining dunder /sugar before I spotted your post. so I gave ti 2 days and threw the rest in tonight

Basically I have 100% dunder in the fermenter. The SG has dropped to 1047 (temp corrected) after 3 days (from a calculated 1096 - 6.4%) and the wash temp is up at 32+.

I had a taste of the wash from the trial jar and it tastes just like treacle..

I'm hoping that because the dunder was light on molasses and that we have good water here which was used to make the original wash that I'll get away with it. But if not I can PH adjust it, split in between fermenters, water it down a bit and add more yeast.

I'm in no rush so we'll see how this goes.

Statistics: Posted by MrCat — Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:05 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-01-29T14:21:45+00:00

I'd go easy on the dunner - had one stall recently was very acidic had to water it down, adjust pH and re pitch - a right PITA.

If your going to add sugar to the ferment - it will foam like a bastard - had one spew a gallon of wash all over the floor

Statistics: Posted by Capt-Cudellez — Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:21 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-01-29T13:45:30+00:00

Man - this fermenter is going mental - it's the most vigorous ferment on a molasses wash I've seen. The wash temp is about 30 degrees whilst the ambient is only 12.. The airlock is constantly bubbling and my brew room just smells of sweet molasses.

I've got a stripping run on now so as soon as that finishes I'm tempted to take 10 litre of the dunder, dissolve a 5kg bag of sugar in it and add that right now..

Statistics: Posted by MrCat — Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:45 pm

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-01-29T00:11:54+00:00

Done the first two stripping runs - I've got 2 gallons of 60% and a gallon of 40% so far with 60 litres left to strip...

The next 'batch' is already fermenting.

Really high on the molases this time though..

When I racked the big fermenters off I left a litre in the bottom of each which had all the yeast etc left over from the first ferment. I got 13 litres of dunder from the first wash and re-aerated this by pouring it from one big fermenter to the other. I added the old yeast etc to this and put it to one side.

Then this afternoon whilst the second stripping run was in progress I got 15 jars of molases (6.3kg of sugar), heated the jars to get the contents out, rinsed the bottles out with a kettle of water and then poured in the boiling hot dunder from this afternoons run. I aerated that and waited for the temp to drop to 45 degrees.

When it hit 45 I added that to the other fermenter (with the dunder from the first run and the yeast from the original fermentation) pitched 5 packets of EC-118 and 100g of nurtient, wrapped it all up in a sleeping bag and have left it to ferment. Later in the week once the ferment is well under way I'll be adding ten litres of water with 5kg of white sugar in.

Judging by the smell of this wash there should be a LOT of taste if I can get the ferment to keep going. Hoping for a nice round 10 unstressed percent.

Should be interesting

Statistics: Posted by MrCat — Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:11 am

Re: High volume sugar/molasses wash recipe.

2012-01-13T16:51:39+00:00

Nice Mr Cat, If it was me I'd keep a few ltrs of the wash and add to the strip on the spirit run adds a bit more flavour and makes it a bit rougher off the still (I think). That smooths out when aged and you just get the flavour.

I have also tried adding molasses to the boiler, worked well, no issues with burning either with 40% strip.

Let us know what you do and how it turns out.

Statistics: Posted by Capt-Cudellez — Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:51 pm