StillSmart Home distillation made easy! 2009-04-18T21:19:32+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/feed.php?f=3&t=56 2009-04-18T21:19:32+00:00 2009-04-18T21:19:32+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&p=985#p985 <![CDATA[% vol max ??]]>

Basically, the vapors travel up the column and through the offset to the coil where they are cooled to a liquid and run back down the elbow. Then they either are drained out of the valve that is there, or the valve is left closed and it runs back (and with the help of a tongue soldered in)and is dripped back down the centre of the column.

The top is left open so no pressure can build and the cooling coil cools the vapors enough that none can escape. (most also put packing in the coil to ensure no vapor gets by)
So, there is no "bung" just a coil/packing to knock down the temp so the liquid runs back down either refluxing or being collected. With this setup you can go wide open on the cooling coil and keep the system in equalibrium until only the very highest %abv comes out. (theoretically 95.6% ABV)


That\'s my aim, to make/build a still that will get as close to the theoretical max as possible.
Some of the parts look like being a complete PITA though. It\'s not the easiest thing to find "needle valves". If I knew what kind of kit they\'re normally used in, I could probably track some down.
It\'s like, it\'s taken me a while to find somewhere that sells the larger bore copper pipe ( standard UK sizes being 15mm and 22mm ) but I think I\'ve found somewhere that does.
I though I might have a go at making different columns - I reckon that I can make a "vapour management" column quite easily, though it\'d depend on what size "gate valve" I can track down as to what size condenser I\'d build.
Then I\'d have to start looking around to see about the needle valves etc.
Of course, finding something to use as an appropriate vessel for a boiler is also proving to be a PITA - stainless beer kegs aren\'t easy to get hold of, the same applies to the stainless milk churns that have been mentioned.
I\'m certainly not gonna pay the kind of money that Brouwland want for a "wort heater"....

Statistics: Posted by Phantom — Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:19 pm


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2009-04-18T09:25:39+00:00 2009-04-18T09:25:39+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&p=980#p980 <![CDATA[% vol max ??]]> Basically, the vapors travel up the column and through the offset to the coil where they are cooled to a liquid and run back down the elbow. Then they either are drained out of the valve that is there, or the valve is left closed and it runs back (and with the help of a tongue soldered in)and is dripped back down the centre of the column.

The top is left open so no pressure can build and the cooling coil cools the vapors enough that none can escape. (most also put packing in the coil to ensure no vapor gets by)
So, there is no \"bung\" just a coil/packing to knock down the temp so the liquid runs back down either refluxing or being collected. With this setup you can go wide open on the cooling coil and keep the system in equalibrium until only the very highest %abv comes out. (theoretically 95.6% ABV)
editted for spelling

Statistics: Posted by goinbroke2 — Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:25 am


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2009-04-11T23:23:29+00:00 2009-04-11T23:23:29+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&p=922#p922 <![CDATA[% vol max ??]]> homedistiller to try and get my head round what I might need to do/get..
I was thinking along the lines of an offset reflux head column. What seems very weird and almost counter intuitive is that the offset condenser part, seems to be open at the top so you can put the condenser coil in and presumably take it out for cleaning, but as far as I could see from the pictures I couldn\'t see what might be used for a bung with a \"cold finger\" type condenser coil.......
Very strange.
As it would be excellent to get something like the claimed 94/95% from a single run.
Though I don\'t think I\'ll be anal enough to work it all out mathematically and then build it.
I reckon that I can get the copper tubing, but getting hold of a decent boiler looks like it might be a bit of a bugger - the breweries keep very close track of stainless kegs, plus making a decent flange to mount the column might be a bit of a swine.
so I\'ll have to keep looking round won\'t I!

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2009-04-11T21:17:52+00:00 2009-04-11T21:17:52+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&p=913#p913 <![CDATA[% vol max ??]]> Statistics: Posted by Jimmy — Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:17 pm


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2009-04-11T04:15:13+00:00 2009-04-11T04:15:13+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&p=909#p909 <![CDATA[% vol max ??]]> I ran 25 litres of wash a couple of weeks ago, it came out in the high 50\'s %-wise.
I\'ve got enough to re-distil so that\'s what I\'m trying at the moment. I did make sure that I watered it down (with RO water) so that it went into the still at 40%.
I\'m not using the normal collecting container as a measure, but as far as I can tell the parts that I\'ve taken off, the first one measured up at 81% ABV and the second one measured up at 79.5% and have gone together. I\'m still running the still, but that won\'t be mixed in with the combined 80% stuff. I\'m just running it to get backset. That will be re-run through again later.
It\'s all got me wondering what type of kit is used by the Poles to make the 96.5% ABV vodka (hopefully the bloke from work will bring me a bottle when he comes back from his Easter break)?
I mean, I don\'t have enough wash/spirit to be able to run it in my reflux still (yet!), so I don\'t know how high I can get it with that. I might just have to carry on making wash until I\'ve got enough to run it (25 litres of spirit is a lot of wash!).
If anyone has any ideas about how I could achieve something in the 90% + bracket, then I\'d be grateful to hear about it.

Statistics: Posted by Phantom — Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:15 am


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2008-12-29T00:44:42+00:00 2008-12-29T00:44:42+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&p=549#p549 <![CDATA[% vol max ??]]> I must try some whiskey sometime, not just with an essence but with a proper fermentation - I'm doing a tequila at the moment but I might have to investigate that for next time!

Statistics: Posted by Jimmy — Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:44 am


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2008-12-28T02:54:14+00:00 2008-12-28T02:54:14+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&p=538#p538 <![CDATA[% vol max ??]]>
If you do the first run it might come out at 50%ABV and taste "ok" or "good". The same stuff if you run it again will come out around 75% or so for example, and yes you will add distilled or bottled water to bring it back to 50%ABV, BUT (big but) It will taste SO much better/cleaner.

Basically your doing all the extra work to get more and more crap out so all that is left is alcohol/water.
I am making this because I want something good to drink, not because...well ok, because it's cheaper too..but I'm not going through all this work to make swill with alcohol in it that I must choke down to get drunk. Ferment without turbo's, let it sit for a month or so to clear, do a stripping run, do a spirit run, enjoy excellent tasting whiskey. (or even add StillSpirits Rye flavouring to fool even mama and the inlaws hehehe)

Of course with a few batches going at the same time every couple of weeks I can run a batch off.

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2008-12-24T21:53:23+00:00 2008-12-24T21:53:23+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&p=482#p482 <![CDATA[% vol max ??]]> Ian..

Statistics: Posted by umpa — Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:53 pm


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2008-12-24T19:05:02+00:00 2008-12-24T19:05:02+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&p=481#p481 <![CDATA[% vol max ??]]> The benefit of topping up with water is that you know the properties of it are quite different to those of alcohol so it should stay put in the still compared to some of the fusel oils etc that share characteristics with the ethanol. It seems counter productive somehow, making it stronger and then watering it down, but it's purely to make a bigger divide between what comes out and what stays in.
So, in a nutshell - you don't HAVE to, but it makes it easier!

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I just figured more wash & distillate = higher alch content.

I just always fill the still to about 1" below the fill line.

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eg. I collect 800ml first time, do I simply re-distill that or should I add the 800ml with say RO water to make 4Ltrs and get 800ml from that.
Regards

Ian..

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2008-12-23T23:53:00+00:00 2008-12-23T23:53:00+00:00 http://www.stillsmart.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&p=467#p467 <![CDATA[% vol max ??]]> Statistics: Posted by Jimmy — Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:53 pm


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ie threw away the frist 50/60ml, collected i dunno maybe 1L plus a little bit?
The 1L+ I threw straight back in the still and topped up with standard wash.

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