StillSmart

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-27T06:46:01+00:00

In the same vein.

Music lessons are in decline because they are 'One on one' and many institutions and individuals consider the risk too great.

Progress eh!

Statistics: Posted by Mash — Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:46 am

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-27T11:16:19+00:00

When I was a kid we played conkers !!!

Statistics: Posted by gaza the instructor — Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:22 pm

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-25T04:21:46+00:00

Besides, the "spirit of the law" will already be complied with.

The individual licensee for all the stores has to see to that i.e. that they don't sell alcoholic beverages to any person under 18, or to a person thought to be buying it on behalf of a person under 18.

Buying ready made and the ingredients to make your own ARE NOT the same thing and never have been. The only concession to that is materials that are harmful to health i.e toxins/poisons as mandated.

Your argument suggests that the health food store would need to restrict the sale of liquid malt extract as that can be used for.......

Hence while I fully appreciate the letter and spirit of the law, the one you're alluding to is nothing to do with kit - the letter (and spirit) of those laws/regs is for the sales of alcoholic beverages........... and can't be stretched to include other items

Statistics: Posted by Phantom — Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-25T03:03:05+00:00

Topper are you advocating the same approach should be applied to homebrew as is currently being applied too those that run ther vehicles on Straight Vegetable Oil?

They are required to declare their consumption of SVO so that they can be given a tax bill to recover the revenue that tax would have made if they had bought deisel.

The next step is to declare your consumption of homebrewed beer and wine and pay the equivalent tax on that.

Statistics: Posted by Myles — Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:03 am

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-25T00:22:12+00:00

I would reply by saying that really how old you need to be to do anything at all had little to do with my core argument,

'...isn't the store in question simply holding to the spirit of the law?'

I raised the point of tax evasion or avoidance, each term a nice bureaucratic definition, which justifies , it appears, massive profit making by the many multinational conglomerates who, ignoring the 'spirit' of the law, avoid paying what would be rightful taxes which could be used to the benefit of the communities in which they operate.

Opposing any who support the 'spirit' of a law would appear to play directly into the hands of such international conglomerates and their complicated offshore company structures.

They each all claim to be obeying the 'letter' of the law, whilst dismissing a need to recognise the 'spirit' of a law as 'non-profitable'

It appears they have your support?

The fact that it might impinge on matters in which one has an interest has nothing to do with how one interprets what is the 'intention' of any law and, how does one support the the spirit of that intention.

As previously mentioned, I accept that we, as a group of adults, have decided, for our own rationalised reasons, to ignore some laws. I do it because I feel I, relatively, harm nobody by my personal consumption of my own product. If it wasn't so an enjoyable activity anyway, I probably wouldn't bother.Others might define their position otherwise. What we are not doing is ignoring the 'spirit' of a laws. We are 'opposing' them.

To oppose laws is vastly different from those avoiding the 'spirit' of laws.

Statistics: Posted by Toper — Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:22 am

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-24T23:11:36+00:00

I totally see what Toper is saying,and also what Myles is saying.
Nearly 50 years ago,as a kid I simply picked apples,put them in a bucket under the bed and added some bakers yeast,left it a couple of days and consumed the lot.
These days we have Health and Safety,Duty of Care and all the other stuff.
Those days nobody talked about wife beating and kiddie fiddling.
Society is constantly changing,not always the way that one would personally want.
It was never easy for the first Potcheeners and Moonshiners.
Just go and do it.
Maybe getting creative in the ways that you acquire the equipment

Robert.

Statistics: Posted by Easydrinker — Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:11 pm

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-24T19:10:18+00:00

Myles is pretty much spot on. The law is only concerned with the control and management in connection with sales of alcoholic beverages.

Just because the makers suggests that X is produced for Y purpose, doesn't prevent the sale of that item as restricted by the various licensing regulation.

Otherwise they'd have to restrict lots of stuff i.e. you can't buy hose pipes as you might use it for nefarious purpose (siphoning petrol etc).

In any case, kids aren't stupid. They'd find whatever they need to use as a fermented.......

Ergo, they're full of shit......

Statistics: Posted by Phantom — Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:10 pm

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-24T13:47:57+00:00

I am not aware of any legislation that places age restrictions on the purchase of ingredients or equipment intended for the home brewing of beer, wine or other fermented products.

I don't believe there are any restrictions on the sale of fermenters, malt, DME, grape concentrate, wine kits or anything else homebrew related.

Businesses should be challenged where they exceed the law. If they insist on doing so (as it is their right to do, they are not obliged to sell anything) then they should be informed that it will be widely publicised on social media, along with a recommendation that consumers take their business elsewhere.

Statistics: Posted by Myles — Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:47 pm

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-24T13:25:39+00:00

I am not in any way a supporter of the 'more than my jobs worth' mentality, neither do I support unnecessary bureaucratic red tape, or 'nanny state legislation', but I think that we have here a case of 'damned if you do and damned if you don't'.

The items in question are specifically, by intent of the retailer, related to the production of alcohol at home. They are, for that reason, placed in their Home Brew Section.

Should there be, at any time, reports of school children falling ill, or dying, through alcoholic poisoning as a result home produced beers or spirits, of having obtained the the equipment and ingredients from a retailer, without any question about age, I am sure the outrage would be even greater than that expressed here.

Rather in the way of tax evasion and avoidance, there is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

For those of us, as adults, producing our own spirit, that is a decision we have made, right or wrong. Are we, by extension, to argue that children should have the same means/opportunity.

If not, isn't the store in question simply holding to the spirit of the law?

Statistics: Posted by Toper — Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:25 pm

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-23T20:24:38+00:00

I've recently stood at check out waiting for a supervisor to come and clear me to purchase crown seals....

Statistics: Posted by packapoo — Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:24 pm

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-23T16:15:43+00:00

As per usual, it's just some spineless corporate knob (big business is full of them)........

like anything, if it's not challenged publicly and loudly, it creeps into the social consciousness........

Lets face it, so much bollocks has been published by the red top media etc, that people really believe it i.e. "it was in the newspaper, so it must be true"........

I like to make a bit of a "song and dance" then once the point is made, I vote with my feet and take my money with me.......

Statistics: Posted by Phantom — Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:15 pm

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-23T04:56:17+00:00

I just love all of these answers... nanny state???? ROLLOCKS I say ROLLOCKS....

Statistics: Posted by Icefever — Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:56 am

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-23T02:32:15+00:00

The world is going to hell in a handcart.

Robert.

Statistics: Posted by Easydrinker — Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:32 am

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-22T21:38:41+00:00

18 eh?

Don't forget your Challenge 21 card, children!

Statistics: Posted by hampk — Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:38 pm

Re: Alcohol licensing

2016-04-22T18:29:44+00:00

Water is also a problem in the wrong hands.....

Statistics: Posted by Seagull — Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:29 pm