ultrasonic cleaner

[Robbo12]

Hi what are people's thoughts on ultrasonic cleaner for speeding up the process of ageing gin ?

[Easydrinker]

Honestly, none at all.
If I find a quiet time I might look at the concept.
I was not aware that gin was aged, other than sitting longer with botanicals.
If you would like to expand/expound upon your post, then you may get better responses.

Robert.

[Mash]

Have you got some articles / links about it?

[Robbo12]

Have you got some articles / links about it?

Aging White Gin

I think there are two topics here. First, the making, diluting, and bottling of gin, does that require any aging? Secondly, there is a big move towards barrel aged gin. I will start with the first question first ... and I will leave "barrel aged gin" for another post.

White gin requires aging. Not much, but you can't just dilute it and bottle it and sell it. Well, you can, but you won't create the best tasting gin that way. A gin that's bottled right after it's been diluted to bottling strength has two issues:

1. It tickles on the tongue;

2. Taste is not integrated.

The tickling of the tongue is a very good indication that a gin is not yet aged out. The tickling is caused by alcohol sucking water up water. Since alcohol is highly hydrofile or hygroscopic, that makes sense ... if you didn't give your gin enough time after diluting it to bottling strength. If you add water to your gin to bring it down from (for example) 70% to 45%, a process starts that I call "the marriage between water and alcohol". It is not an instant process. It is not a gentle process either. It is a process where some of the water gets dissolved into the alcohol. A process that creates heat (some), slightly lowers the total volume (total volume is lower than the volume of the original alcohol and water), and raises the proof a bit. All because water dissolves - over time - in alcohol.

So here's the first trick in letting your gin age out: dilute it, then give it like five weeks for the marriage to take place. After this period, when you taste the gin, the tickle on your tongue is gone. The five week period also helps the different oils and tastes settle out. Please try it. Make your gin, dilute it, fill one bottle, open the cap on that bottle like every day, and taste is:

- On day one (not coherent, tickly, is this the gin I wanted to make?);

- After three days (nice, its moving in a good direction, wow, this is different shit!);

- After five weeks (when you'll have reached your final taste profile).

This test will teach you that you will achieve around 2/3rds of the final taste profile already after the first three days. It will also teach you that giving it more time really pays of.

I know that waiting for five weeks can be a pain. You need more time to market, and you need more storage space. But in the end, if you want to make the best product, there is no escaping it. There are, however, a few tricks you can use to speed up the process. Here they are:
1. Use an ultrasonic cleaner (50 Watt per liter minimum and at 40 kHz) and give your gin like three ten minute treatments. It won't skip the five week rest period completely, but it will get you closer sooner. The process of especially water marrying to alcohol is sped up. And if you look in your ultrasonic cleaner, while doing it, you'll see for yourself that this process is not a gentle one: the liquids turn grey during the first part of the ultrasonification

[Mash]

Very interesting. What is the source of this?

[Robbo12]

Very interesting. What is the source of this?

http://adiforums.com/ got it from hear.

[Mash]

This is worth a read..

https://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtop ... 6&start=30

Odin is normally on the money.

[Robbo12]

Very interesting I'm always looking at improving the quality of my product .

[Mash]

Yeah + I fancy a ultrasonic for cleaning stuff. ALways thought they would be a usefull tool.

Must look in bactericidal effects.

[Easydrinker]

Very interesting. What is the source of this?

http://adiforums.com/ got it from hear.

Just a personal comment.
That link looks like a lot of time that I don't have.
And unless this thread breaks new water, I won't be back.

Robert.

[Phantom]

As for the original point, the vaping world was trying this a few years back, as some flavours need an extended steep to develop some flavours.

As far as I could find out when I checked, there was no discernible benefit found.

But YMMV as I last checked this out a couple of years back........

[Mash]

Silly question - do you have to run it full? Thinking of a 6 litre...

[Phantom]

Silly question - do you have to run it full? Thinking of a 6 litre...

I'd guess so. Presumably you're alluding to "full speed" so maximum vibration (frequency level) ?

So with such a large volume to fit in, it's likely that you'd need maximum to make sure that the vibrations are spread throughout the product..........

[Mash]

Yeah that was my thinking. I can see lots of uses fur one of these. Gin is but one. All the rest need 6-10l. Gin I prefer to do a few litres at a time.

[Phantom]

What size are we talking ? Last one I had access too would hold about 2 litres of liquid (plus it was open topped).

But it was used for cleaning jewelry.......