Brexit. In or out?

[YHB]

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Here is the link to the documentary BREXIT THE MOVIE which premiered at Leicester Square Odeon.

https://vimeo.com/user14444354/review/1 ... 11244b88d0

I wish they would show it on the BBC.

Guess where Cameron is heading for?

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[Admiral Toad]

I was talking to a young squaddie in my local on Friday

He's just retuned from an exercise in the South...... The European Battle group ......complete with EU badged uniforms, vehicles the full monty

and they said this would never happen

You might dislike all politicians in this country of our whatever side they are on but at least you can VOTE !

Something you cannot do for Junker and his empire building cronies

Somebody should be highlighting how much worse it will be if remain not leave

Grasp the chance it won't happen again

Oh and before you say I am anti European at the time of the vote we will be on a tour of Europe in an Audi ! (we have our postal votes though)

[Phantom]

Meh ! All a bit catch 22

The "market" always responds to negatives and uncertainty.

What is affected by uncertainty ? Mortgage rates, share prices, oil prices, exchange rates, etc etc.

Not only that lot, but also pensions, savings, etc.

Who relies on the later ? The crusties.

But the crusties have also I inherited a "bloody foreigners" mentality from their parents, and during/post war upbringing. Hence not only to vote, but vote for brexit.

Who's most likely to be affected ? Is it the crusties ? No, they'd moan about short term reductions and loses, but the real victims of that, are the youngsters. They'd have to put up with the reductions and loses, while hoping the brexit politicos can make up the loses and drops, which would have to be done at an accelerated speed to prevent long term reductions and loses.

Why would "they" drag their collective feet over new deals and negotiations ? Because they can. They'd be punishing us all for the desire of the brexiteers to spoil their party.

The cards are all in the EU's hand. It doesn't matter WTF you think of the EU, anything favours the majority.

So Hubris, Gove, Farage et al are trying to sell you a "bum steer". If they were such political and business "stars" why are they not the "head honchos" ? They're likely wealthy enough not to have to worry about a negative effect, unlike we mere mortals.

Hence I've adjudged that there is no upside to leaving.....

[Squint]

Looking through the forums, and from the media, why is it that the remain folk talk down to the leave folk, as though they( remainers ) are a better person.

there are two instances on this thread alone. Well I've got news for the brexit numbskulls, and crusties

our PM is very good at name calling and using personal insults when he is loosing a debate, so maybe the remain are loosing their argument,

why the need to bring peoples personal education. background, and lifestyles into a discussion?

correct and accurate facts are what is needed.

[Anavrin]

I say vote leave, there is no option to stay and maintain the status quo, a vote to stay is a green light to Europe to go full steam ahead with further intergration, more powers being centralised in Europe and a European army etc.

They can't even manage their own finances, the loss of 10 Billion pound from a Brexit would cripple them, There is no box you can tick on the ballot paper if you want things to stay the same, a vote to leave puts us in the best position, as we will then be holding all the Aces regarding future trade deals.

[Myles]

Have you read the Five Presidents Report and the comments on it? Just an example.

Professor Otmar Issing - a former chief economist at the European Central Bank and architect of the euro - said EU policymakers would not dare put their plans to transfer budgetary sovereignty to Brussels before electorates as they would fail at the first hurdle.

Speaking of the European Commission's Five Presidents Report - which lays out plans to shore up the foundations of the euro - Mr Issing said it was a step towards creating a fiscal union "without democratic legitimacy".

[Easydrinker]

My political opinions and any religious beliefs that I may or may not hold are my own concern.
I will respect the same of any poster here.
As long as this thread remains friendly, then I am AOK with it, I have already detected tones that concern me, and other members have reported to me.

I do not wish to sound like a policeman, but please be aware that the first post in this thread that disrespects any other user, or group of users here, and I will personally delete the whole thread.

We are are a distilling forum.
It is good to chat other stuff.
Please show a little respect.

Sorry if that sounds a little heavy, it is intended for the good of the forum.

Happy Stillin', to borrow a phrase.

Robert.

And I care not very much if that upsets anyone.

[Myles]

Fair point.
And to link it back to our main interest - does anyone have any information regarding the implications of in/out with respect to home distilling?

Some parts of Europe allow it, but I don't know if the EU in general supports or objects to it.

[Seagull]

That's interesting Myles. I hadn't realised that there was anywhere in Europe where home distilling was allowed. Which countries are they?

I thought New Zealand was the only enlightened country.

[Easydrinker]

Don't quote me, but with strings, such as personal use, I believe it is legal in Hungary, the Netherlands, the Russian Federation, Austria...and I know that I am missing at least one Eastern European country.

Robert.

[Seagull]

I'm seeing Odin on Saturday. I'll ask him if it's legal in the Netherlands then

[Myles]

I think it is legal in Austria and Italy, but need to confirm.

[hampk]

According to the StillSpirits site it is legal in New Zealand, Austria, Italy, Russia, Romania, Bulgaria, and Ukraine.

Wikipedia has it slightly different.

I have it in my mind that it's not currently legal in Italy, though there were moves a few years back to legitimise it. But then the rule of thumb in Italy is 'if I agree with a law, then I'll obey it'

[Phantom]

According to the StillSpirits site it is legal in New Zealand, Austria, Italy, Russia, Romania, Bulgaria, and Ukraine.

Wikipedia has it slightly different.

I have it in my mind that it's not currently legal in Italy, though there were moves a few years back to legitimise it. But then the rule of thumb in Italy is 'if I agree with a law, then I'll obey it'

I understood it, that while it's not legal the Italians don't need a still for neutral etc, they just go to the local pharmacy and can buy 95.6% NGS over the counter cheaply, not all the obsessive money grabbing and excise duty/VAT etc.....

Which is why Limoncello is considered the national drink (few, if any commercial makers as they can't compete with the home produced cost)........

[hampk]

SWMBO has always wanted to retire to Tuscany. Phantom, you may have given me a reason that actually makes sense

Cheers

Hampk