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Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:27 am
by Cherry Yidaki
Reading around I find a lot of people talking about the benefits of copper in the vapor path. I'm not coordinated enough to thread a copper wire through the condenser tube or some of the other tricks I've read about, but I have found an easy and effective way of my own that I thought I'd share.

So, here's our vent hole.
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And here's my stainless steel funnel with screen. (5 3/4 inch - bought online frome a distillery products site - I see it cheaper on Amazon.com now)

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And here's the filter removed from the funnel. It has a springy clip that holds it firmly in the funnel. It will also hold firmly to the vent hole when inserted in the air still head.
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If you spear those springy legs through a copper scouring pad...
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You have a nice mass of copper for your steam to filter through before condensing. It seems to even out your drip rate, too. Fewer surges.

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Any ideas on how to improve it even more? Or ideas of their own? I love learning new stuff. :)

Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:17 pm
by Almanac
Many "Copper Scrubbers" available today are actually Copper Plated and shouldn't be used.

Otherwise, that's a pretty good solution for using on stripping runs ;)

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Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:48 pm
by Cherry Yidaki
Ja, shoor. You betcha.

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I don't understand why you'd not want to use it for spirit runs as well. Please enhance my knowledge base, Master Distiller.

Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:46 pm
by Almanac
Copper is useful for removing Sulphides from the vapour on a stripping run. The low wines from the strip don't contain any Sulphides and many will tell you that Copper will ruin the taste of Vodka/Neutral.

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Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:26 pm
by Voddy
So putting copper in the ferm bin is no good (for a neutral)?

Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:26 pm
by Cherry Yidaki
Good to know! That little tidbit went right into my notebook thanks!

By ruin the flavor, what do you mean? What off flavor/smell will copper impart?

Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:23 am
by Almanac
Voddy wrote:So putting copper in the ferm bin is no good (for a neutral)?


Oh! I wouldn't put copper in any wash, the acid in there will convert the Copper to Copper Sulphate CUSO4 and your wash will turn blue ???

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Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:26 am
by Almanac
Cherry Yidaki wrote:...
By ruin the flavor, what do you mean? What off flavor/smell will copper impart?


I understand it can impart a metallic/tart taste/mouthfeel which can be quite pronounced depending on the original wash makeup!

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Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:52 am
by Easydrinker
I have to agree with Aidan here,DON'T put copper in your brew;I've yet to discover a distiller that does commercially.Tries to think of blue coloured spirits....
Whatever the metal used in your still,lots of copper,eg,boil pieces in the boiler are good in the strip.
I also use them on spirit runs despite having a copper head on the still and a big copper condenser.
I don't feel the need to put the vapour through copper scrubbers.

@ Cherry Yidaki, With an airstill,Yes do introduce copper,it will help.
The simplest way is a few pieces of copper pipe,cut,bashed and hammered out of shape,cleaned with lemon juice or citric acid dropped into the boiler.
Absolutely nothing wrong with your innovative funnel method that I can see.
Happy Stilling.
Robert.

Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:34 am
by Cherry Yidaki
Ha! On the last episode of Moonshiners on Discovery Channel, two newbie shiners (after many problems and setbacks) finally got a run started. They were congratulating themselves - until they noticed it was Windex blue in the bucket. They were stumped, but I bet you just told me/us why. Cool.

After my hog rings inquiry was answered I got some heavy gauge copper wire, cut and bent it into rings and have been using it as settles - though there were no boil overs on the runs where I forgot to use them.

They got really corroded-looking on this last spirit run and I've cleaned them up with vinegar, ready for the next run. You answered my question as to whether I should use them on spirit runs in future. Thanks! I'll probably only use the steam scrubber for stripping, though.

I came across a couple old, glass, 1-gallon cider jugs in the garage attic yesterday. I'm so anxious to try my scrubber on something boozy I mixed up a couple 1-gal washes using old cereal (Corn Chex and Rice Chex)from the pantry. Spent all afternoon getting things going and just pitched my champagne yeast (I have a bunch left over from winemaking a couple years ago). I hope I see bubbles in a couple hours. :D

Another thing I learned was how to use my air still to heat my water. Put a gallon of tap water (from a batch I had drawn off and put in a bucket to air a couple days ago). It was 71F when it went in. 20 minutes later it was 114.6F, which warmed up the cooler water I'd run into the jugs so I could dissolve the sugar and add my cereal. My work area (and resources) are kind of cramped, so I was glad to find a way to make what I've already got work even better for me.

Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:38 am
by RumJohn
There is no practical reason to use packing (copper or otherwise) in a stripping run. Even on a sprit run I only use packing when aiming for a high ABV such as required for vodka or gin. I do not want reflux running rum.

Re: Copper in the vapor stream

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:14 pm
by Cherry Yidaki
Oh, you contrarian, you. ;)