Using the whole of the distillation.

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Using the whole of the distillation.

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Merry Christmas Chaps and Chapes's.

A silly question but I will ask it anyway.

Being that a sugar wash doesn't not produce any methanol, which is the dangerous one, we carry on collecting the first 50-100 ml to throw it away.

That small amount out od a 20% abv wash will hardly tarnish 5lt of 94%, being that I run it through carbon twice, is there ant real reason to throw away what could be good liquor?

Don't shoot me down, just a question.

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Not sure who told you that methanol is NOT produced in sugar washes. It is a fermentation product and MORE is produced in fruit based fermentations.

However, there are other nasty products in the first products off the still. Not necessarily "dangerous" but they taste shite and contribute to serious headaches.

Eastern European spirits collect everything that comes off the still, but are notorious for headaches. You can do a lot better. Discard the first bit and you will easily compensate the volume with hearts on the next run.

Quality, not quantity should be your objective. Otherwise you can buy bargain basement cheap shite in the supermarket. Home made is more expensive - but a lot less expensive than the equivalent commercial product at the same quality.

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To try and give a quick answer, possibly 12 hours late,...
There is very little chance of your wash containing Methanol.
There are strong possibilities of your wash containing various higher alcohols, (Acetone, etc).
The fag end of your wash will also contain baser Esters and the like.
These compounds are the reason that cuts are made, and not everything is chosen to drink.
Carbon filtering will take out a bad taste, it will not remove Acetone.

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Posted, to see myles was a step ahead.
I'll leave as is, I believe my points valid.

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Any fermentation can produce a whole load of really bad tasting products. Methanol is just one. And it is not the worst, it has just been blown out of proportion by unscrupulous ase**los that deliberately contaminate cheap booze with even cheaper methanol (or glycol) to boost profits.

Home produced booze contains minimal methanol - but it does contain stuff that tastes real bad. Get the fermentaion wrong and it contains more - but it is insignificant compared to deliberately introduced contaminants. Just cut out the fores and heads and keep the good stuff.

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first 50-100 ml to throw it away.
No need to chuck it away. It has many for other uses.
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Mash wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:35 am

No need to chuck it away. It has many for other uses.
True, it is a flammable solvent and it does have uses - just not suitable for drinking.

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Thanks folks, entering my 3rd year at the hobby, at this point I know enough to ask some questions, initially you don’t know what to believe and what not to believe. As you all say, there’s no right or wrong way. I guess we will be learning forever.

By the way, I’m very happy with 9kg turbos filtered twice through carbon.

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Hill Rise Hooch wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:05 pm
By the way, I’m very happy with 9kg turbos filtered twice through carbon.
Can I ask, are you using 9kg of sugar in a 25 litre fermenter?
I'm not as think as you drunk I am...

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Maker wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:09 pm
Hill Rise Hooch wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:05 pm
By the way, I’m very happy with 9kg turbos filtered twice through carbon.
Can I ask, are you using 9kg of sugar in a 25 litre fermenter?
I suspect not!
But if so, the dude might be more impressed with the product by cutting back. :)

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25l noooo surely not.

If it is, can you share the temps and times?
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I await with baited breath to hear of such sugaricascious playtimes!

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Late to the party etc............

The 9kg of sugar thing, is likely to do with one of the turbo's that make a high strength ferment in a couple of days.

Most seen to recommend 5 or 6 kg of sugar for a 10-14% wash, in about a week. Yet there's some that use more and those packs say stuff like 9kg of sugar or 10kg of dextrose for 20-23% wash, and depending on the brand, in between 2 and 7 days.

Don't recall seeing the OP mention which brand/type of yeast was actually used for this batch, but it seems to me most likely with mentions of such a large amount of sugar? in a 25 litre batch.........

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Or just a wind up ? ?
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Mash wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:05 am
Or just a wind up ? ?
I don't think so, but definitely out of context. The only time I have seen these claims were in reference to FUEL ALCOHOL.

Yes with care you can ferment to high ABV. However, it is so contaminated with higher alcohols that you would not want to drink it. Perfectly suitable for fuel though.

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Given that the OP has not been on the forum since, it may have been a wind-up...
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