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Planning to use seasonal botanicals in my next gin or flavoured vodka.

Elder flowers haven't blossomed yet, but there are loads and loads of lovely coconut smelling gorse flowers.

Question 1 - has anyone tried these - what are the results?

Question 2 - The flowers might smell lovely but they might taste like cat piss. Is it possible to do some kind of test run in small quantities to see if a new flavour idea is worth pursuing? I'm using an airstill, and not got that much neutral spirit in stock so don't want to waste any.

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Bung some in a shot glass with neutral and taste 24 hrs later.

Great for taste testing and proportioning.
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Mash wrote:
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Bung some in a shot glass with neutral and taste 24 hrs later.

Great for taste testing and proportioning.
Thanks Mash - good suggestion, and well found since "fermentation" is completely the wrong board to have put this in! D'oh!

Will steeping impart the same kind of flavours i should expect if it's done in a sputnik?

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Yup. Do it all the time.

Is also works for hop profiling with those little bottles of piss beer.
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Not that keen myself. Pina Colada?

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Bugger, gonna have to hunt me down some flowering gorse now!

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Gorse generally imparts a coconut flavour. Not sure how it's gonna work in a gin but look forward to the report.
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Bumped over to ageing/flavouring so more people can find it :+1:
Hope that's ok Fierymac! :kissing_heart:

I'll be interested to hear your results too, loads of gorse round here!

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Dunno about managing to get the flavour/aroma into a spirit, but I've certainly read of peeps making wines and meads from Gorse flowers, despite the obvious hazards of picking them.

I'd guess it'd be no different from picking Sea Buckthorn. Cos that's got spines that are sharp as hell too.

Just that the SBT has some redeeming features i.e. sharp, acidic almost citrussy flavour. While Gorse flower is just that.

But hey! WTF, if you want to give it a go all power etc.........👍

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Well i've got enough gorse flowers to do a steep sample and my fingers are absolutely injury free - I asked Mrs Fierymac to get some while she was out exercising! I'll let you know how it goes.
Since discovering that this steeping test run works i've got a few coffee beans in neutral spirit too just to see what happens!

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Update: Gorse flowers are rank! Forget it as a botanical, but so glad i asked and got the tip for steeping just a shot glass worth rather than wasting a full batch to test.

On the plus side - coffee has turned out very nice. Not sure that a coffee flavoured neutral spirit is a drink i'd really like to have on it's own, so I then decided to try a steep test with a coffee bean in gin. Adds a definite coffee taste, but also lovely subtle creamy, vanilla flavour which really compliments the juniper. This could be a go-er!

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One mans idea of rank may be anothers idea of Ambrosia, but I will follow your opinion , here and now.


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Kahlua mate Kahlua is a very nice Coffee based liqueur. Loads of recipes on the
nett, but use one with real beans in it not instant. The taste difference is hugh.
I have made this many times and it is lovely. It is a comfort winter drink.
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gaza the instructor wrote:
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Kahlua mate Kahlua is a very nice Coffee based liqueur. Loads of recipes on the
nett, but use one with real beans in it not instant. The taste difference is hugh.
I have made this many times and it is lovely. It is a comfort winter drink.
It's been a number of years since i had Kahlua although i am aware of it. Not a big fan of liqueur though personally.

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Easy to do infusion.200g Coffee Beans 200g Sugar 1.5ltrs Neutral @60%
better still RUM. put altogether in a jar infuse for 2 weeks ,shake
daily.Filter and dilute to 40%. let rest for a day or two and enjoy.
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Fierymac wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 9:49 am

It's been a number of years since i had Kahlua although i am aware of it. Not a big fan of liqueur though personally.
I think the difference is the thickness and the sweetness. This puts me off.

I have a Irish Cream liqueur, which is thin, not very sweet and transparent. But quite, quite lovely. The trick is to make what you like and I do like the idea of a thinner less sweet Kahlua. And Gazza is 1,000,000% correct about coffee beans. Instant is shite when you try and extract flavour from it.
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With you there Mash. Love coffee flavour, but sickly sweet and thick just doesn't do it for me. Your idea of a less sweet and creamy version does open up possibilities. I wonder if a coffee "neutral" would be a nice mixer with a cola?

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Espresso martinis! :heart_eyes:

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Fierymac wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 12:11 pm
With you there Mash. Love coffee flavour, but sickly sweet and thick just doesn't do it for me. Your idea of a less sweet and creamy version does open up possibilities. I wonder if a coffee "neutral" would be a nice mixer with a cola?
Start with a simple infusion, add coffee and some vanilla bean. Taste it along the way. A tiny bit of cinnamon bark will add a complimentary note too.

I use old milk bottles for these tests, wide neck for bots & cleaning. AND they take a DJ cork. Marvellous.
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The thickness and sweetness is obviously controlled by the sugar you put in.
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The human race will eat or drink just about anything with added sugar.
(As will a lot of our animal friends).

I can't belive that I am seeing stuff being targeted at a mass market? :lol:

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Does anyone use Glycerin to improve ‘mouth feel’ of spirits. I am lead to believe that it is common in vodka.

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Windoe wrote:
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Does anyone use Glycerin to improve ‘mouth feel’ of spirits. I am lead to believe that it is common in vodka.
Yes mate, some of us do. Sometimes.
In a "whiskey" or brandy, a little Maple syrup is better, ;)

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