Bulk concentrated grape juice

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Easydrinker wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:28 am

It worked a treat, Just needed more apples to warranty the clean up!

Robert.
Hell of a mess - don't scrat them.
Freeze and thaw. The difference in stunning. Both easy cleanup and fantastic juice
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:lol: All of the above.

I have a selection of fruit trees in pots waiting to be planted out in the new garden and orchard.

10 of Howgate Wonder as espaliers
2 each of Annie Elizabeth and Bramley
4 each of Black Dabinett and Scotch Bridget
12 crab apples, 3 damsons, 3 plums, 2 other cookers and 4 more eating apples

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How are you planning to ferment the plums on skins?

I only ask, cos pressing fresh fruit is different to fermented and you will need hessian sheets.
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At the moment I freeze virtually all my fruit.
Then ferment it as a pulp for a few days, before topping up the fermenter to the final volume.
I deal with any residual solids after fermentation.

I am not intending to press before fermentation.

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My press certainly needed a few extra wood blocks to utilise all of the thread on the screw.
The oiling tip sounds good.

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myles wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:10 pm
At the moment I freeze virtually all my fruit.
Then ferment it as a pulp for a few days, before topping up the fermenter to the final volume.
I deal with any residual solids after fermentation.

I am not intending to press before fermentation.
Very good choice. Pressing before fermentation is very different and requires extra steps, time and kit. I did it once.
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My press certainly needed a few extra wood blocks to utilise all of the thread on the screw.
The oiling tip sounds good.

Robert.
Using olive oil on the thread helps massively.
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Easydrinker wrote:
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My press certainly needed a few extra wood blocks....

Robert.
I run mine four times to get my wine through. You need to plan your fills. Its better to press 2 runs at 2/3 rather than 1 run full and 1 almost empty.

If you end up short, you can put press cake back in, crumble it well.

Equally you can get your hands in and ram it down, but shy away from pressing and then topping up. It can lower the yield.

Oooo yeah, did I mention.. The big yellow builders trug is ideal for press cake.
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Tune in for the next episode.
The 'fermentation spear' and oxidation.
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Mash wrote:
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Easydrinker wrote:
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My press certainly needed a few extra wood blocks to utilise all of the thread on the screw.
The oiling tip sounds good.

Robert.
Using olive oil on the thread helps massively.
I think the liquid lube'd the screw enough.
I suspect the oil may make clean up easier of wooden parts.
I now have a visualisation of a 'Bob the builder' Mash, running around with yellow buckets!

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myles wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:10 pm
At the moment I freeze virtually all my fruit.
Then ferment it as a pulp for a few days, before topping up the fermenter to the final volume.
I deal with any residual solids after fermentation.

I am not intending to press before fermentation.
Robert has given me a lovely link there.

But you don't press liquid.

I know that sounds obvious, but in practise can be more difficult. Taps bung up and are quite frankly the devil device for winemakers. Broom handles are primitive.

I made a wine spear.

Portable from one fermenter to another. You poke this through the cap and put the pump hose inside it. The cup at the bottom is just as important. This stops sediment being pumped into the delivery tank.

Once you have pumped the liquid out of the fruit pulp, shoveling the mush into the press is much easier

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Made from slotted (sawn) gutter pipe.

This also reduces oxidisation. Never press a wine that isn't still going for that reason.
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I was with you, for a while, realised you had gone Large, and sat down again. :)

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This applies to anything over 25 liters.
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Last night I bottled the remaining 20 bottles (I have been stealing the odd bottle, decided to get it bottled before it spoiled), from my red concentrate fermented with Tannin,Oak etc
Yeast was pitched to primary 20/04/20.
It tastes pretty good and is 14%.
The quick version, 9.5 lits with White wine yeast, finished at 13%, a little 'zestier/livlier' on the tongue.
I have enough concentrate left to replicate both of these washes.
I figure the total cost of these wines at £1.70 a bottle, + labour.
A tasty bargain.
And if myles ever wishes to re-order, I am in, and would love to know the price of their sloe concentrate!, only spotted on-site after the order was placed.

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A lot of the Plum, Sloe etc are only available on a seasonal basis - I asked. Prices are variable and lead time is typically a few weeks.
Last "prices" as examples only were:

Apple Concentrate - £2.95/kg
Blackberry Concentrate - £6.44/kg
Cranberry Concentrate - £9.52/kg
Gooseberry Concentrate - £5.79/kg
Cloudy Orange Concentrate - £4.69/kg
Peach Concentrate - £3.79/kg
Pomegranate Concentrate - £5.94/kg
Raspberry Concentrate - £12.08/kg
Rhubarb Concentrate Cloudy - £13.25/kg
Sloe Concentrate - £9.28/kg
Sour Cherry Concentrate - £4.89/kg
Sweet Cherry Concentrate - £5.24/kg
Strawberry Concentrate - £9.47/kg

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They are all sooooo tempting.
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judging by the gooseberry and grape these are mostly concentrated fruit sugar and contain "some" colour and flavour. Just be aware.
I had hoped they were dehydrated fruit juice, but that is not the case.
If you find a source for 'propper' dehydrated fruit juice please let me know.
It might be that this concentrate in combination with dried fruit could be a real winner.
otherwise I need someone to give me a couple of tonnes of plums. ;)

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I would stll risk a 'dodgy' sloe concentrate.
We planted blackthorne years ago, doesn't seem to like our climate.
But, hey ho!
We can try again.

I am happy with the grape concentrate.
Curious as to why you are not?

Plums?
Not a good year hereabouts.


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Getting closer to grape harvest.... Last week of August sees the first few. I think a tidy up is required.
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I have loads of sloes.
In a normal year I pick about 15+ lbs that go straight into the freezer in 3 lb bags. Next year I will be planting another 60 yard hedge of sloes.
3 lb sloes plus 3 litres of brandy fits nicely in a 1 gallon demijohn with sugar to taste. I typically use 18 ounces.

Sloe brandy (not gin) is a real family favourite.

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Easydrinker wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:08 am

I am happy with the grape concentrate.
Curious as to why you are not?

Plums?
Not a good year hereabouts.

Robert.
Not exactly unhappy just slightly confused. This grape concentrate does not seem to be the same product that you would typically get in a "wine kit".
Especially some of the more expensive varietal wine kits.

I think there are different products available. I am not sure, but I think that these are "more processed" if that is correct terminology. Some of the wine kits are simply dehydrated grape juice, but this seems to be colour and flavour reduced also. More of a concentrated fruit sugar. Probably a different production method.
I don't know enough to make a valid assessment, it is just a gut feeling on my part.

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I don't wish to argue, my last use of a 'wine kit' was more than 20 years ago.
Just to say that the two batches of wine that I have so far made from the concentrate that you sourced were good, Very good.
Better than from any wine Kit I made before.
Maybe it is changing tastes and discerning/jaded palates?
As I get older, I certainly eschew more alcoholic drinks that I would have happily imbibed in my younger years.

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I have not done mine yet, so I can't comment.

Might make it up with pressed skins after the main run.
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I've still only done one batch but it seems to be maturing nicely :+1:
Although I probably couldn't tell a fantastic wine from a dreadful one tbh! :lol:

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Jenny, really good, from really bad is easy.
It is the scoring in the top 20 percentile that I struggle with. :)

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