ANTS

[alan]

Hi all iv just checked a batch of 48 turbo i started on friday and found a dozan or more ants floating belly up, the brew bin was coverd in cloth with atight elecy band round, will they do any harm to the wash.its nearly finished its down from 1150 to

1000sg so should be ready to run by wensday

[Balmoral]

Internets said:
What you\'re getting a whiff of when you crush an ant are just a few of the more volatile components of the potpourri of chemicals ants produce. The body of an ant (depending on genus and species) has, on average, around ten glands producing different chemicals, serving a variety of functions including defense, communication, alarm, trail-marking, and antibacterial and antifungal purposes. The communication and alarm chemicals are generally the ones humans smell because they need to be volatile in order to work, and the alarm compounds are going to predominate when you\'re crushing and killing them. In most cases, the ants voluntarily release the alarm chemicals, but some alarm chemicals can only be released when the ant is being killed. Either way, these compounds, singly or in combination, warn nearby ants of trouble. Ants near the spot where another ant is killed suddenly become hyperactive and alert--some species fall into a blind panic, while others become aggressive to the point of suicide. That\'s all triggered by some of those chemicals you smell, one of the more common ones being citronellal, a lemony-smelling compound related to what\'s in citronella candles.
Of course, when you crush an ant, you\'re releasing a lot of other glandular products that aren\'t part of the alarm system. Some of the most interesting are found in the metapleural gland (present in almost all ants), which often includes phenols or phenylacetic acid. These are potent antiseptics with dramatic antibacterial and antifungal properties. Ants, after all, typically live in the soil, where they\'re constantly exposed to dangerous microbes, and ant nests are fantastic places for fungi to grow--or rather they would be fantastic except for the chemicals ants have all over their bodies, often permeating the nest and everything in it, which help keep things sterile. Ants almost never get sick. In answer to a recent question about whether it was safe to eat a cookie that ants had been crawling on, I explained that the cookie was probably cleaner after the ants had touched it as a result of their metapleural gland secretions. It\'s as though human sweat contained Lysol. If we were as chemical-covered and germ-free as the average ant, we\'d all live longer, healthier lives. That smell coming off those crushed ants is not just the smell of fear and death, but also the smell of true cleanliness and health.
Having read that, I reckon it will be just fine.

[Phantom]

A dozen or so ant\'s isn\'t going to make much of a difference in the wash.
You can fish or filter them out. Any residual \"ant flavour\" is going to be distilled out anyway.
The heat and alcohol levels will pretty much sterilise anything.....

[Opus 27]

A bin with a proper lid and air lock might be a worthwhile investment in future.
Opus

[bluecap]

As long as you are sure they are ants and not fly’s then all should be ok as anything added by the ants would have been overwhelmed by the massive yeast concentrate.
As a extra safe guard AFTER all fermentation stops and you are just waiting for it to clear I would add 5 crushed Camden tablets to sterilise it, I emphasise AFTER as it will also kill any live yeast.

[alan]

Thankyou for the replysfolks, they are definitely ants, the estate were i live has trouble with um every year all the lawns are lade on ash. I dont use a lid on my fermenting buckets because the alcotek 48 turbo ferments so quick the air locks cant cope at least they died happy

[Phantom]

I dont use a lid on my fermenting buckets because the alcotek 48 turbo ferments so quick the air locks cant cope

No maybe not, but still use the lid, remove the grommet and then just shove a blob of cotton wool in the hole.
If the foam wets the cotton wool then just put a fresh bit in. Don\'t ram it in so tight that the CO2 doesn\'t pass through it though.
Or you could get a "larger one" (product code 010.012.3) from Brouwland, just keep a lid that\'s got the appropriate grommet/hole for it (presuming that it\'s a different size hole of course).