soldering woes; advice sought please...

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soldering woes; advice sought please...

Postby Keystone » Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:00 pm

I made a 2" pot still based on the Hillbilly Stills 2" simple pot. In so doing, I ran into soldering troubles with soldering joints in close proximity to each other. I eventually started using a cold rag to block the heat from ruining an adjacent solder joint with some success.

This difficulty put my LM/VM build on hold because the planned upper solder joint for the VM 2" equal tee is just 1 cm below the lower slant plate of the LM. I don't want to mess up the solder joint of the LM lower slant plate in soldering the VM tee.

Are there any tips or tricks to make this task free of frustration?
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Re: soldering woes; advice sought please...

Postby YHB » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:46 pm

I try to do the biggest joint first - by biggest I mean the joint that will require the most heat input.

Without seeing your column I cannot be sure but I imagine that the biggest joint would be the 2" tee, this is not the information that you probably wanted to hear.

The cold wet rag works well, what I find works even better is to clamp the workpiece in a vice with the joint to be protected ( the slant plate ) touching the cold face of the vice, this will help keep the slant plate joint cold and deter it from warming up /melting.

If you do not have a vice handy, anything that is big and cold will help, G clamp, large pipe grips.

Start applying the torch onto the Tee and let the heat run across the Tee joint into the column. The theory being that you will have a short while with the joint at the correct temperature before the slant plate joint and the vice warm up.

Alternativly,

How about not soldering it and leaving it as a slip joint. I have one in the same position to allow the addition of more column hieght.

I use slip joints that I seal with a high temperature proof, alcohol resistant, elastic seal - that costs about 10p.

If you are interested, go to the local pound shop and by a silicone baking tray, the mini muffin size. ( they have 12 moulds in each tray )

Cut out the moulds and remove the bottom this will give you a band of silicone about 25mm wide that can be streched / rolled onto a 2" pipe. When it is in place it gives a good tight seal. Getting them on in the first place can be tricky, but once they are in place you can roll them up or down (think Condom) to break / remake the joint in seconds.

I have been using them for months without mishap and they seal perfectly every time.

The purists could always put a turn or two of PTFE tape over the joint before rolling on the band.

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The picture is a bit vague but it is the only one I have access to at the moment. The picture is of my LM takeoff with the column to the right. The grey stripe is the silicone band. The lighter grey stripe in the middle of the band is the joint being sealed.

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Re: soldering woes; advice sought please...

Postby monkeyb0yuk » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:49 pm

Soldering will also be much easier and have a good feel if all the joints are meticulously clean and a decent acid flux is used. This obviously needs good flushing at end...
Because of the area and size of pipe, it can be tricky and does act a bit different to smaller fittings...

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Re: soldering woes; advice sought please...

Postby Keystone » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:57 am

Thanks! I will try these ideas after work.
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