Electric cars

[gaza the instructor]

It can't really be any worse than petrol fumes.

[Jennysgin]

Can you still get engines reconfigured to run on old chip fat? I seem to remember hearing about someone who bought the used fat from the local chippy, filtered the bits out and used that.

Not sure where you live Jenny, but down here in ULEZ London a Diesel car would have to comply with Euro 6 emictions.
That is why we all hate this Khan git! My brothers 2011 V8 diesel Range Rover does not and My buddy Pat has a 2014 Jaguar
XF diesel that doesn't either. Both these vehicles were worth £10-£15 K now scrap!! What is more no scrappage scheme for
honest hard working peps, just migrants and the unemployables!!
As you can gather we are all a bit more than just annoyed ATM and all is being done to see it does not succeed. Watch this space....

I'm just a bit outside of Glasgow. The city centre is going LEZ in June.
I'm sure the proverbial has not properly hit the fan yet but it will... At work we're not sure what to do about the school minibuses amongst other things. Guess we won't be visiting museums etc after the summer!

[WelshGin]

I think I will be borrowing an old Massey that burns a bit of red, I am sure there will shortly be an upgrade for aged tax exempt tractors, you know extra seats fitted and a cab heater....

Yes it is all bloody ridiculous. Who voted the idiots in charge into power???

[gaza the instructor]

I think I will be borrowing an old Massey that burns a bit of red, I am sure there will shortly be an upgrade for aged tax exempt tractors, you know extra seats fitted and a cab heater....

Yes it is all bloody ridiculous. Who voted the idiots in charge into power???

Sorry to say old boy, Red don't exist any more its all white and the same price according to my not so little
brother who is a Top Man for a demolition company. These big 60 or 70 ton excavators burn hundreds of
litres a day adding thousands of pounds to their expenses and making site security a major headache with
the pikeys and fuel thieves, or are they the same thing.

[gaza the instructor]

Can you still get engines reconfigured to run on old chip fat? I seem to remember hearing about someone who bought the used fat from the local chippy, filtered the bits out and used that.

Not sure where you live Jenny, but down here in ULEZ London a Diesel car would have to comply with Euro 6 emictions.
That is why we all hate this Khan git! My brothers 2011 V8 diesel Range Rover does not and My buddy Pat has a 2014 Jaguar
XF diesel that doesn't either. Both these vehicles were worth £10-£15 K now scrap!! What is more no scrappage scheme for
honest hard working peps, just migrants and the unemployables!!
As you can gather we are all a bit more than just annoyed ATM and all is being done to see it does not succeed. Watch this space....

I'm just a bit outside of Glasgow. The city centre is going LEZ in June.
I'm sure the proverbial has not properly hit the fan yet but it will... At work we're not sure what to do about the school minibuses amongst other things. Guess we won't be visiting museums etc after the summer!

So your local Royal Mail deports are in full panic too. They have to be compliant by August 2023 not January 2030.
They say the cost of renewing the vehicle fleet with leccy ones and the infrastructure to suit will bankrupt the
Post Office. And Mr Khan's Bus fleet is not much better off. To use a technical term some of our local buses are
F&!ked.

[Anavrin]

I had a Mercedes C350e for 3 years, it was a Plug in Hybrid and I can honestly say I never plugged it in as there was a setting to charge as you drive.

On paper it did 134mpg, reality was about 34mpg, it had a 2lt twin turbo petrol engine giving just over 200bhp and an 80bhp electric motor with a shed load of batteries in the boot.

I really miss that car, it was pure fun to drive, especially in Sport + mode, you got max power from the petrol engine and the electric motor together.

[gaza the instructor]

Know what you mean Anavrin, currant car 2008 Bentley Speed, which I bought off a mate who
bought a new one. It is 602 BHP and does what a Bentley does, but when provoked it is a
mentally unhinged two and a half ton monster. My pals Tesla performance was no match and
certainly makes no note like a W12 on song!!!

[Salar6]

I live in Norn Iron and the local company Wright bus has supplied London and others with fleets of electric buses. Following a buy out by JCB I'm now passing the Hydrogen buses (loaded on low loaders -no local supplies of hydrogen or just waiting to get to London?) on their way to the ferry. Work wants to go green, a small van electric with range of 100 miles but is pure sh1t£ can't carry a big load. They also want to change other means of transport ( my run around is 600hp carries 950l of petrol and burns 80lph at full tilt. How are they gonna replace that? Wind power and sails?
Head of our Green team just bought a new 2l diesel. That says it all . Great ideas but not yet practical. Hydrogen is more dangerous than the LNG/LPG that I used to transport in bulk, but again given good proceedures and kit it is safe.

[Mash]

Funny thing is I have a 30mpg 4x4 and it's complies. Go figure.

[Mash]

Red diesel does still exist but it is strictly agricultural use only.

[Mash]

Hydrogen is more dangerous than the LNG/LPG that I used to transport in bulk, but again given good proceedures and kit it is safe.

Is transporting anything @ 700bar ever "safe enough"?
In old money that is about 10,000 psi.

I was tipped out, to a tar-truck on fire. 4 x 47kg lpg cylinders on board. One of them cleared the carriageway like a missile.

[buffalobob]

I remember reading the first car produced was electric but mass produced petrol cars took over. Now we use more oil than we produce so we've gone past the tipping point. Petrol cars won't be a viable option soon. There isn't enough lithium in the world to produce car batteries for everyone plus they aren't as green as you might think. Lithium batteries give off toxic fumes. We need a new propulsion system or we'll be back to horses and carts with the gutters full of horse shite

[Moss]

Funny thing is I have a 30mpg 4x4 and it's complies. Go figure.

We have a diesel French thing, and it is so polluting that the road tax is zero.

[Mash]

Electric cars are just hurt my mind, I just struggle with so much if it. But if you live close to work, inner city, with your own drive. I guess a lot of folks do.....

[Elecrafter]

5 of my geeky mates have them. 2 x Teslas, which are packed with features, although the body shut lines are not that good.
One has been above the Artic circle in Norway in December in his, and driven all over Europe including the Alps.
The other cars are a Prius, and the new Skoda, and the Hyundai.
All have good things to say, and they are all high tech geeks in the electronics arena. Namely they have a good understanding of the technology and how it works.
Range can be an issue, but they say you just plan your long journeys well, and it's OK.

I won't have one as just bought an nearly new diesel car, and that will probably be my last car, as I'm getting old now.

My concerns are.,
The electric infrastructure ie cables in the ground is built for the 70's, and not for hundreds of cars charging 10's of Kw batteries. At least we will have some ice free heated pavements in winter with all that power flowing!
The technology is already in the cars where the charging can be switched off if the grid can't supply enough. Nice if you are a midwife on call and your car doesn't get charged etc.

We don't have enough power station capacity now, let alone when we all have leccy cars.

4 out of 5 of my mates have Solar panels and batteries, and they use that to charge their cars. One has free charging at work. So has gone from £100 of diesel a week to next to nothing to run his car.

The leccy car is here to stay whether you like it or not.

I remember in the 80's when the Gov't told us all to get diesels, and then changed their minds.
Also the govt is not pushing wind and solar farms as I believe this is the way to go, rather than new nuclear power stations.
I think the range issue will eventually dissapear as new technologies appear.

Remember a Lithium fire is a self sustaining and self oxygenating fire. It's fierce and violent. IMHO far worse than a petrol fire.

Google electric vehicle fires to see what I mean.

I'll get off my soap box now!
Ele.

[gaza the instructor]

I am sticking with what I have. Noone has convinced me that electric is the answer.
Also much bad press about charging the dammed things up.

[Moss]

Only been in a Tesla once.

One of my day jobs is for a company whose European operation is based in Madrid.

About 5 years ago, I used Uber to get a cab from my hotel to the office, and a brand new Tesla turned up.the driver was incredibly proud of his new car, and interesting it certainly was.

At the end of the working day, I was waiting outside the office for my ride back to the hotel when said Tesla came past.

On the back of a wrecker.

In many pieces.

With a very sick looking taxi driver in the can of the wrecker.

It hadn’t lasted a day.

[phantom]

I think I will be borrowing an old Massey that burns a bit of red, I am sure there will shortly be an upgrade for aged tax exempt tractors, you know extra seats fitted and a cab heater....

Yes it is all bloody ridiculous. Who voted the idiots in charge into power???

Hum? well if this came to pass, make sure that the farmer who owns it gives you a full tank of fuel.

Cos the current bunch of parasites HAS already changed the law about who can use tax rebates fuel i.e. red diesel.

It now not allowed for plant and other diesel engined, non-road machinery. It's only available to registered farmers........

[gaza the instructor]

Yes Mr P, I thought that red was finished altogether. My brother who is a
site foreman in the demolition game says that now all machines on site
must run white and that has just about doubled their fuel bill. This will
be passed on to the end user ie the house buyer!!

[Moss]

Can you still get engines reconfigured to run on old chip fat? I seem to remember hearing about someone who bought the used fat from the local chippy, filtered the bits out and used that.

Not sure where you live Jenny, but down here in ULEZ London a Diesel car would have to comply with Euro 6 emictions.
That is why we all hate this Khan git! My brothers 2011 V8 diesel Range Rover does not and My buddy Pat has a 2014 Jaguar
XF diesel that doesn't either. Both these vehicles were worth £10-£15 K now scrap!! What is more no scrappage scheme for
honest hard working peps, just migrants and the unemployables!!
As you can gather we are all a bit more than just annoyed ATM and all is being done to see it does not succeed. Watch this space....

Found this creative ‘exemption’ to the LEZ.
Really quite amusing

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[WelshGin]

Wonderful.

Can I use the word 'Twat' on this forum. Well there you go I have. Taken a screen shot. So I may re-post.

Mr Khan may learn to be British, if he developes a few more cranial cells. I would like Darwinian theory to become practice at some time.

Unfortunately you cannot fix stupid.

[gaza the instructor]

Don't worry he won't be around long. From what I make out he is not popular with
Londoners and I mean Londoners not these foreign imports and do gooders.
Usually nobody bothers to vote in the Mayoral election, well watch this next one.

[buffalobob]

Several of my mates have owned leccy cars, but not for long. The infrastructure just isn't there yet. I've been told of fights at charging points etc, who needs that. I was interested myself until I found out how much an electric car costs
I ended up getting a 3 cylinder 1l engine skoda kamiq. Efficient small engine that is quite rapid if you put your toe down. This will be my last car but maybe not my last bike. I've seen some interesting leccy road bikes

[gaza the instructor]

Same here BB so I bought a 12 cylinder 6 litre Bentley and its very uneco... and its fast
enough for me.
A very good friend has gone all funny about the planet. He sold his Scooby Doo and
bought an electric bicycle. He was pulled by a copper for doing 30 odd in a 20 and nicked
for not having a compliant machine. It seems the rules are very complex for them too.

[buffalobob]

I can remember the days when you could out run the filth on a pushbike, but that was when they pottered around in the mighty Moggie thou